Aldo leopold was an optimistic guy, but saying that's kind of the conundrum of humanity, is that we have both within us. Seems a little bit pessimistic, but kind of something we deserve in some ways, maybe. And what i came to then learn bendll sort of pointed me in the right direction, was how interconnected all of us actually are. So likea europeans to indigenous north americans and every other permutation, all of that is also part of our respect for nature. It's all connected.