Atlassian was founded in the early 2000s as a self-service software company. The idea of bottoms upsass, getting people to take their credit cards out and then upselling and cross selling is sort of it penetrates a given organization today. But back then, it was quite non-consensus. And so I think what we did that was very unconventional at the time was think about how could we build a self service model? It's not going to work if you have four different versions at four different price points with different features across those price points. We had to put a lot more energy into building a great product and improving over time.

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