Support Lorenzo on Patreon.com Guest speakers: Terence McKenna and Elizabeth Gips PROGRAM NOTES: This podcast is dedicated to long-time saloner MARJEAN McKENNA This is a recording, from 1985, of an interview that Elizabeth Gips conducted with Terence McKenna at his home. The interview begins, like most of the 1980s era McKenna interviews, with a detailed question about DMT, but Elizabeth quickly gets them on a more interesting track. And the reason that I say "more interesting" is because here in the salon we've already covered most of the nuts and bolts of various psychedelic experiences. It's the reasons that draw us to these substances that I find to be the most interesting. When choosing a new psychedelic experience, Terence suggests asking three questions about the substance you are considering: 1) does it have a shamanic history; 2) does it occure in the tissue of a plant or animal; and 3) does it bear a simularity with compounds in our brains. In Memoriam: Elizabeth Gips, 1922–2001 Elizabeth Gips' Obituary