i had the underlying framework of complete abstinence from all drugs, as i talked about in the beginning. But then i started to meet people who were either attics that had actually been struck or rendered sober from doing plant medicines. And this was a major curiosity to me, because it contradicted everything that i held to be true. After hearing enough of these stories and getting an invitation to go to costa rika and participate in a for iawaska ceremonies, i just called,. I remember at one point i interviewed a man named paul selig, who's a medium. And i asked him if he would be willing and able to ask his guides if this would be safe and advantageous

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