It was much less the talks that made the difference and more for the first time ever in my life being exposed to other people who thought similarly to me. When I came across these other you know possible and existing teal fellows it was just this immense comforting feeling where it's like okay there are other people that are young out there who want to make a difference. It always had this like real excitement and sort of mysterious vibe around it from the outside, he says.

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