This is Jocko Podcast number 321 with Echo Charles and me Jocko Willink. It's hell week, but I'm having fun. You have no idea who's going to make it. Only the big frogman in the sky. One of them is a quiet fella from Kentucky and he's holding strong. His name is Chris Gifford. Steady as a rock, calm, stoic, solid. And we made it through hell week. We both eventually got assigned to seal team one and ended up having some pretty cool experiences together. He ended up with a career as a seal like me and a ton of lessons learned along the way.