The Relationship Between Guru and Teacher

The relationship with the guru or teacher, it's kind of a sacred thing, isn't it? Who is your teacher? It is. And I think there are different types of teachers along the way,. So there are more kind of instructor kind of type teachers. They're people who have put in the time and they've done it, but they're not considered sort of like as a guru or something like that. Someone who was incredibly important in my own personal journey was an Irishman called, called Donald. He did just over 12 years in retreat, in long term retreat. Where did you encounter him and where have he done them 12 years? The abbot of the monastery in Scotland