Introduction

i'm speaking with carney councel senior fellow arthur holland michel. He's the author of eyes in the sky, the secret rise of gorgon stare and how it will watch us all. In this podcast, machell and i focuse mostly on facial recognition systems and loitering munitions and drones in the context of russia's 20 22 invasion of ukraine. These technologies are not necessarily new but the way they are being used to day in the first major interstate war in europe in decades has been the subject of much discussion in the intelligence community.