The First Big Story I Had at City and State

I know you've been at city and state, but do you remember your first big story? It was one about closing Rikers. And I think that was just a really helpful story to like get to understand a whole lot of things about having New York city government and the criminal justice system work. "Rikers is a whole can of worms and it's, it's just an absolute travesty in many ways," he said.