TIVP039: Universal Music Group (UMG): Owning The World’s Music Catalog w/ Shawn O’Malley & Daniel Mahncke
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How UMG Allocates Capital: Dividends and Catalog Deals
Overview of UMG's payout policy, catalog acquisitions, tech investments, and high operating-profit-to-FCF conversion.
Shawn O’Malley and Daniel Mahncke break down Universal Music Group (ticker: UMG), a company that controls a royalty stream on roughly ⅓ of the world’s music in an oligopolistic industry also dominated by Sony and Warner Music Group. Universal has incredibly high-quality earnings, with a very stable business and excess returns on capital — a recipe that is very appealing to investors at the right price.
In this episode, you’ll learn about the economics of the music industry, how Universal creates value for artists, what the company is doing in response to AI, the mutually dependent relationship between labels and music streaming platforms, and whether Universal Music Group’s stock is attractively priced, plus so much more!
IN THIS EPISODE, YOU’LL LEARN:
00:00 - Intro
05:00 - Why royalties from the music industry are so stable
07:57 - How Universal Music Group makes money and supports artists
11:12 - How Universal operates as an oligopoly alongside Sony and Warner Music Group
20:24 - The economics of digital streaming
43:48 - Why Universal’s leading market share position reinforces its advantages
01:04:48 - About UMG’s unique business model as a serial acquirer of music catalogs
01:10:35 - How to think about modeling UMG’s intrinsic value
01:21:27 - Whether Shawn and Daniel add UMG to their Intrinsic Value Portfolio
*Disclaimer: Slight timestamp discrepancies may occur due to podcast platform differences.
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- Bill Ackman’s presentation on Universal Music Group.
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