Cape Bingham's research had to use like 400 grams a day of unprocessed red meat to kind of show these carcinogenic processes. And that was in the context of feeding people fruit and vegetable and not or fiber added. So I think if someone's consuming an average of like 70 grams a day, it's probably just not enough of an of a level of intake to create to generate enough of these adverse effects. To challenge the current recommendations, you would need to see some data that shows say north of 100 or 150 grams a day average. With a healthy diet around that, there's no effect on cardiovascular disease.

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