Is the BJP Illiberal or a Hindu Nationalist Party?

Indonesia seems to me in some ways a more interesting case because there we are talking about a something like 90% Muslim society that does incorporate significantly illiberal elements, which bind the majority population. But Indonesia is maybe not something that Muslims look at and are like, oh, we wish we could be Indonesia. So I don't know. It's a hard sell, but Indonesia is chaotic. It is messy. There are drawbacks, but at least there is a process in motion. And I think that's better than the alternative.

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