People who came out of elit schools and had a certain expectation about what it meant to be a public servant. They carried those norms with them from graduate school to washington, right? And that's the whole and the fact that ellsburg is a phd. In decision sciences and papers with thomas shelling is not a peripheral fact. It's the corps fact, right? That's who they were. So when we go fast forward, and you have edward snowdon, who is a community college drop out, which i don't say is a snobbish thing. He used a search engine just to pluck stuff at random from the ns a files and hand it over

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