I met you and found out about you because of your TED talk talking about the, if we decarbonize, we're going to re materialize. Since we first interacted, there is another war on top of the Second World War and the Algerian War and the Cold War. There's a real war going on in Ukraine between Russia and NATO. I argue that this is a war about imperialism reinvented in light of climate change and ecological disruption. And so one of the arguments that have been developing, particularly here in my work in Europe, has been to say that Ukraine for me represents ground zero for transition warfare.
On this episode, environmental peacemaker and mediator Olivia Lazard joins Nate to unpack the relationship between mineral deposits, conflict-vulnerable zones, and high biodiversity areas to create interlocking risks to geopolitical and climate stability. Much like Olivia’s research, this conversation covers a wide variety of topics and is jam-packed with information. Will we have to plunder the planet in order to save it? Will we be able to transition to a multi-polar world order somewhat peacefully? And what can we learn from mediators and peacemakers, like Olivia, as we move into a more materially constrained future - where the whole pie is smaller?
About Olivia Lazard:
Olivia is an environmental peacemaking and mediation practitioner as well as a researcher and a fellow at Carnegie Europe. Her research focuses on the geopolitics of climate, the transition ushered by climate change, and the risks of conflict and fragility associated with climate change and environmental collapse. She has over twelve years of experience in the peacemaking sector at field and policy levels. In her fieldwork, her focus was to understand how globalization and the international political economy shaped patterns of violence and vulnerability patterns as well as formed new types of conflict systems that our international governance architecture has difficulty tackling with agility.
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