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CNLP 546 | Mark Sayers on Future Cultural Disruption, The Church in Ten years, The Overton Window and How to Cultivate a Non-Anxious Presence The Midst of It All

The Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast

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What Does the Western Church Have to Learn From the Historical Church?

I think that history doesn't repeat at rhymes and I see history as an incredible repository of inspiring characters and stories. What we can learn, we can romanticise the non-Western church - it also has lots of problems. But what I have learnt from is the question that asks me, are you willing to be culturally on the edge? Are you willing to being marginalised? And there's also marginalised communities in the Western church as well. When you're just going after the presence of God and who God is, that's the good news. That's why I'm hopeful, I'm hopeful for what God's going to do. Is it 10 years? When is it?

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Who is that doer then? What's that doer all about? I want to know about that doer. What does that doer like doing? How do you, how do you have those recharge moments because your life I imagine and from seeing it from the outside is absolutely bananas. You know, it's really fast-paced and it's really hectic and you've got all eyes on you and there's, you know, a tension whether you want it or not, you know, sort of 24-7. How, how are you just doer? How do you carve out time just to be the regular you? Maybe you feel like you need to sort of imagine doer before all the success. I sometimes think back to like little me before I started in this weird industry like who is she? What did she like? What did she do? Has it been sort of hard to remember who you are without all of that craziness? Um, not, not

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really. I think really my friends and my family keep me extremely grounded and I think in the beginning things were a little bit overwhelming because I just didn't understand, you know, why there was all this attention. You know, I don't want to leave the house if I wasn't wearing makeup in case like a paparazzi would get a picture or something and then I'd be like, oh, like, I don't know those things would kind of, you know, work me up and then it would stop me from doing things that I really loved. And after a while, I was like, I just want to, you know, live my life and have fun. So I kind of just put like blinkers on like a horse. And I'm just like, I just look at like what's in front of me and I don't think about anything else. And that happened over time. But it just helped me a lot because I'm just like, you know, I, I just want to try and have like as many normal experiences go to whatever restaurant I want to not have to like, you know, think about it too much. But I also love to, you know, take some time for like self care. I love to do yoga every day or some kind of workout, whether that's yoga, pilates, boxing. While I'm here in New York, I love to do that. I've been getting into meditation over the past couple of years, still not like still don't think I can completely shut off all my thoughts, but it's something that I. It's impossible. It's impossible.