Evolutionary Biology

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Social scientists, as well as just people who are not scientifically trained, often have different instincts from natural scientists. And that's evolutionary biology and then a little bit more nature and nurture. What do you think the role of evolutionary biology should it shouldn't be in reflecting on the world? We need to free ourselves of this very enterpersed by us that we have, I call it anthropodenial.

Frans de Waal is a Dutch-American primatologist and the Charles Howard Candler Professor of Primate Behavior in the Department of Psychology at Emory University. He is the author of, among other books, Chimpanzee Politics: Power and Sex Among Apes and Different: Gender Through the Eyes of a Primatologist.

In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Frans de Waal discuss how primate empathy forms the basis for human morality; the precedent for diversity in human gender and gender roles that exists in non-human primates; and why, despite attempts to separate human behavior from human biology, you can’t have one without the other.

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