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Is Tulsa a Progressive City?
"I'm not sure I could live in Tulsa," he says. "It's a great little city, but like it's not, you know, like there's cities where there's some vitality coming back to like Pittsburgh." There is an incredible revival in Kansas City, also Oklahoma City and the Bob Dylan Center was opening that weekend. He saw Mavis Staples and Patty Smith and Elvis Costello at the center on three consecutive nights.