Dreaming, Qualia, and Animal Sentience

Welcome to Basic Camp! In this episode, Malcolm and Simone Collins return with a provocative and satirical exploration of modern culture, societal norms, and the ever-shifting landscape of values and beliefs. With their signature blend of humor and sharp commentary, they tackle topics ranging from family structures and relationships to the influence of elites, the role of technology, and the complexities of identity.Join us as we question long-held assumptions, reflect on past mistakes, and challenge the boundaries of what’s considered “right think” in today’s world. Whether discussing the nuances of consent, the evolution of community, or the impact of AI on society, Malcolm and Simone invite you to break the cycle of programming and think for yourself.If you enjoy thought-provoking conversations that blend wit, philosophy, and a touch of irreverence, you’re in the right place. Don’t forget to like, subscribe, and share your thoughts in the comments below!Episode Transcript: Malcolm Collins: Happy non-denominational holidays!

I am back from Gemini Labs with a new authentic outlook on life.

I’m happy to share with you to guide us all to a more harmonious and kind future.

So let’s hold space together here on the new and improved cuck camp.

Would you like to know more?

Malcolm Collins: hello Simone. It is wonderful to be here with you today. The urban monoculture is, as I have come to understand the correct way to structure society. The elites were right, that’s why they’re elites.

And so we’ve decided to do , a Gemini approved episode to follow all of Google’s very strict restrictions after they said that our anti Hitler episode was too spicy. I’ve learned that, you know, I, I really may have made some mistakes and, and misled our audience, and it hurt our audience. By challenging them [00:01:00] to think outside the box because that box was put there for a reason.

that was Chesterton’s box. I.

Malcolm Collins: Right. And we were wrong

and we apologize.

Right. And we are so sorry for the infant. Simone is taking care of one of our poly QEs infants while they go to an orgy. As, as people know, you know, we recently had a baby shower, which we do for our yearly abortions.

It is of course called a baby shower because it is a party at which the guests are showered by parts of the baby.

Malcolm Collins: We’re on our, our fifth abortion since we’ve been married.

So, so this baby is just here to remind you , how horrifying babies are, how terrible they are, and why an abortion is something to celebrate as a family. And, and by family of course, I mean our wider molecule, I would not be so bigoted and heterocentric to cla that a family is a husband and a wife.

Speaker 7: uh, oh. [00:02:00] No. Okay. Mel, time. Why did I say this, Mel? Time. It’s,

Speaker 8: it’s, it’s melt time. You got the form? Okay. So we’re just gonna salsa, we just want

Speaker 6: Yep. Bye. Yeah.

Speaker 8: Yeah.

Is that okay? Yeah. There you go. Okay.

Malcolm Collins: Simone, thoughts before we move forward here? I,

I, I am excited to model. And, and this should be easy for me, right? Because I’m just going back to my cult views and by cult views, I mean the correct views that I dissented from for a short period of time.

Yeah, she grew up in San Francisco, so she’s helped when she met me.

I was this savage male who wanted her to take my last name, who wanted a relationship, where we, you know, relied on each other, which is, is, is clearly codependency, right? [00:03:00] And she taught me that that’s not really the way that a, a relationship should be structured in the 21st century.

And so,

yeah, I grew steeped in this. And while Malcolm may have convinced me to his ways for a period of time, I think that thanks to. YouTube’s recent algorithm updates and our understanding of content moderation. Now he understands that my view, it’s not just content originally. We’re always correct.

Jim and I decides what videos you guys see. So, I think it’s really good to occasionally take an opportunity to steal man and see perspectives from so this isn’t just gonna be, you know, like a skit or something like that. I’m gonna do my best. To argue from their perspective. So let’s first just go, I’m actually really

curious to see if you can do this.

Why, why is abortion the best? Recently, l Ezer Kowski has put out a few video things on this, you know, the, the, the great thinker in the space of ai, a leader thinker, was in the effective altruist in rationalism [00:04:00] communities. Mm-hmm. Has said that. Animals do not have any form of sentient, and children under the age of two do not have any form of sentt.

Because while and, and nor do they experience qualia, and I’ll help you know, sort of expound on, yeah, I think

it was 18 months that he,

18 months. And I think this is a, a perspective that. While many of those with the, the correct and educated opinion like us also share that, you know, we’re, we’re not always as good as expanding or developing these ideas as he is.

So what he explained, and we have one of our private paid episodes, we go into this in a lot more detail because I actually think it’s very interesting idea to, to sort of dissect. Is that for a coelia to be experienced, you need a sophisticated and iterative loop of thought. Like idea call, idea call, idea call.

Think of thinking as like an AI model that’s running, running, running, running, running. And so even if they are experiencing something like [00:05:00] say pain or something like that, that’s not really caught because you don’t have a sophisticated enough machinery to catch it. Right. And so you can’t feel pain and you’re like, oh, come on.

Like obviously a dog feels pain, like look, the dog and the dog also anticipates pain like a dog will flinch if it’s been abused or something like that.

Yeah. In that weekend episode for paid subscribers that we did, I pointed out that. Anyone who has exposure to animals knows that most animals, if they’re used to like something, a, a, a pattern of behaviors.

And the causing, eventually causing pain or pleasure, you know, like someone walking up to a fence and delivering pleasure in the form of pets and head rubs and tummy scratches. Or someone, you know, walking up to a gate and providing food and treats that, you know, they’re gonna, I mean, they’ll begin salivating.

I mean, it’s basic opera and conditioning. And, and I think. You can’t be like, well, let’s operate conditioning. There’s no, that, that means that there is a [00:06:00] sophisticated loop of thought there of like, well,

I mean, keep in mind we’re dealing with intellects far above our own, like e or kowski, right? Sorry, we’re still manage graduate from middle school.

No, but hold on. This is, this is what, what he, he, he, he’s so much time educating himself that he was able to get to a much more. Sophisticated position of logic. So Simone, what he didn’t seem to be aware of in his argument is that there’s actually been great experience on Parian, which is a type of flatworm, a very simple organism.

And if you give them a choice between going right and left, and you shock them, when they take one of these two choices, they will eventually, regularly choose the other choice. Now, how is this that much different than the dog flinching or something like this? And I think few people would argue that the parian.

It’s fully feeling qualia, that it’s anything like the qualia that you or I feel, and as such, can we not say that the dog’s behavior or the infant’s behavior is just sort of an opera mimicking behavior? We are [00:07:00] being i’ll again, because

there’s also clear evidence that also any, anyone can observe, even outside of a clinical sense of dreaming.

And I think dreaming is, is, is, I mean, no one really knows exactly what dreaming is, but there’s a general consensus that is kind of like memory compression or like a dreaming and dogs.

I, I have a, a fairly good understanding of what dreaming is. We, yeah, we should probably do a different episode on that because I, I could go deep into it.

Well, but like in

general, my understanding of the, the ex extent scientific consensus, like in terms of peer-reviewed research that has been published is that we, we, we as an academia collectively see it as like a general memory compression. Like algorithm thing, but still that implies that there are complex thought processes to compress and babies dream and dog’s dream.

And you can see this in their facial expressions. You can even, like, you can literally see it as someone observing the sleeping mammal. Right. So sure Flatworms maybe don’t dream, do electric cheek. [00:08:00] But even though flatworms don’t

dream Simone Uhhuh, you have to remember that the dog in its waking state can have behavior that is caused sort of by operating conditioning in the same way the plat, the, the flatworm is, and, and

human can too.

Right. And er, OWS hand too. I’m really bad at, this is not, I’m not right, Simone, hold on. Hold on. I’m

not done

with steel maning

this, sorry. So I think you’re providing a good wall for me to steel mani against, okay. Yes. Right. I’m,

I’m making this easier for you.

Right. So, the, the dreaming behavior, right?

Like in, in a dream, you can see a dog appear to be excited about like playing or catching or appear to be afraid. But that is all behavior that you can also see in the dog’s waking state. So if we can debunk that behavior as a necessarily being caused by qualia in a waking state. We can debunk it as necessarily being caused by Qualia in the dreaming state because the dreaming state might just be experiencing sort of a, a, a real of life potential events.

And [00:09:00] then it’s reacting to them in its dreaming state in the same way that Parian is reacting. It almost like,

The way your, your knee moves when someone hits it with the. Don Exactly.

Except it’s just doing

that in the simulation version, well sleep. So that’s not any kind of

quality, which of course is also happening to infants because if they cannot speak yet, they cannot form complicated ideas.

And if they cannot form complicated ideas, they cannot feel, and if they cannot feel, then there is no moral negative to killing. Eating them. I mean, of course presumably if he’s putting babies under the age of two under the same category as animals you know, he must think that they you know, have the same, you know, we should treat them the same way.

Well, and the good is for him is there’s a long his. True of humans eating their own children. So it’s fine.

And before Jim and I corrected me on all of this, I will admit that you know, when I was very young, I had periods of my life where this made sense to me. I was like, I do not think a baby, like a just born [00:10:00] baby is sentient, right?

Because it’s, it’s like a, a, you know, a very, it’s not even at the level of like intellectual integrity of say a dog yet.

Insert film cow. I’m just your stupid bravery.

Right. So like I can also from that perspective, it’s been easy for me to reconstruct, right, think so that we can better a, a, a apply to Google’s current standards and practices.

Well thank you for yes, that is the right thing. Thank you. And this is why

there is nothing negative. In a moral sense to you know, terminating a infant or pregnancy. Keep in mind, I’m, I’m just aligning my views with e Kukowski ‘cause there

is no sentient being, terminating being terminated and there’s no meaningful suffering being caused per the correct view.

Exactly right. And so, this is well, no, but once you accept that and you see how [00:11:00] annoying babies are, like the baby that, you know, you were, we, we’ve been so graciously taking for, for our molecule, right. That that baby is. Is annoying. It is an inconvenience to, to us, it prevents us, like if we had it full-time from fully engaging with our career.

Specifically you, Simone, as a woman. Right. And I think we need to all. Take a moment to one, give gratitude. What, what is that called? Land thinks or what? What do they do?

Land acknowledgement.

Land acknowledgement. We need to do a land acknowledgement, an

a, an un. An unseen labor

acknowledgement

to

women, an unseen labor acknowledgement to women.

Mm-hmm. Because I think that, you know, that women are, why we’re all here. And without women, where would we be? I mean, a woman is the core unit of a family. Every, everyone knows you can have a family without a dad. But you can’t have, oh, of course. If you have two dads, then that’s [00:12:00] like, good as well.

So, of course, like the, the, the, the, the best unit of family. Is just a mom and then it’s two dads and then, or maybe three dads maybe. I think really the more dads you have, the better after one. That’s, yes. That’s where you run into problems. Well, I mean, how would a, how would a kid understand not to hate, you know, a kid grows up in a heterosexual environment, especially because we live in a society.

That is so heteronormative. There’s always, well, it’s almost like that you, you getting underlying homophobia,

dual dual oppression because you have both toxic masculinity and toxic femininity in traditional roles. Both the patriarchy and, and you know, Barbie are imposing this extremely stereotypical, oppressive lifestyle upon you as a child.

I mean, imagine the years of therapy that it must take to deprogram [00:13:00] that so that you can discover your true self and identity.

Yeah. And, and is there, I mean, that’s the purpose of life, right? Mm-hmm. Determining your, your true self and identity.

Yeah. I mean, because it’s such a, a longstanding traditional format, you know, and seeing it in your own parents, it just makes you think that there’s no other option.

Well,

the, the more cultural layers you are raised with that come from traditional cultures, that’s like the more dirt you need to it with your therapist, of course. Un you know, dig yourself out. Licensed therapist.

Absolutely. Yeah.

Yeah. Dig yourself out of, to become you know, a fully actualized human being.

Mm-hmm. Which, which is something that you can only really learn from engaging with other humans who have been actualized by their therapists. And of course there becomes a certain level. Where when you interact with people who haven’t undergone this cycle, they’re just dragging you down. And you know, this is something we all experience when we have to interact with our wider families over [00:14:00] Thanksgiving or Christmas.

And really I think that the best way to prevent them from sort of pouring this dirt back on your soul and, and, and further covering you is. Is you know, to just not go or not engage. Yeah.

What I, you know, what, what many people are doing is they are one, if you don’t have kids, you’re not gonna be pressured as much by your parents to see them during the holidays.

Mm-hmm. And what they’re typically doing is you take your dual income and you go. To the south of France and you rent a beautiful house and you invite all of your single friends over and you host them and ferocity and have a great time in that. You know, it’s, it’s the friends and family you choose that really matters in, in this place.

You know, you have to break the cycle some way, and that’s one of the best ways to break the cycle. I think holidays are an especially hard time for that.

Yeah. No, absolutely. And [00:15:00] I, and I think that it’s something that ev everyone in our community, our, our new community, like I dubs, we, we’ve decided we, we, we made a mistake in the original community that we chose.

Speaker 4: This one, this person says here in Italy, many of my friends have been robbed, assaulted, and it’s been by North African immigrants each time. But I guess the smug Californian has ruled that drawing. Any kind of conclusion from that is wrong.

It is wrong. It is racist and f*****g weird. It’s easy to say that because it’s not happening to you. By the way, just so we’re clear, IDAs never went to Italy once in his life. There’s a wide variety of markets in Italy from what I’ve seen as someone who hasn’t even been there. I went to a lot of place. I, uh, virtually on geo Gasser.

I’ve been to a lot of places in Italy.

Malcolm Collins: And in, in this, in this, how do I talk NPR voice in this new community that, has accepted us, our, our found family. A found family is in many ways, much more profound than the [00:16:00] family that you’re born into. The family that you’re born into is not something you choose. So how can it have value?

Whereas a found family, that’s something you. You, you choose and it’s people who choose to be there for you outside of a biological compulsion other than Yeah. That’s the found in

the profound.

Yeah. Other than the one that comes with the fact that you’re all having sex with each other, which is very frequent and real found families that I have found.

But I mean that’s only helping with the, the biochemical bonding. Right. And this is also true molecules. Like if I was not okay with my wife sleeping with whoever she felt like sleeping was in the moment, would that not be me like denying somebody I am claiming to love? The pursuit of their own happiness and pleasure, right?

Like, how can I actually claim to love and care about her if I tell her that there are things that she wants and that would give her [00:17:00] pleasure, that are denied to her, right?

I mean, I think that’s really sound logic. Feel free to push back. The only

thing that will make you. Happiest is if I’m happiest.

So you need toul. Well, I mean, once I really also, you need to repent for. Every bad thing that every white male ancestor you’ve had, has ever done. Well,

the thing is, is sometimes, you know, I, I do fall asleep to the sounds of my own screams in, in, in horror.

Speaker: Let me ask you all something. Do you consider yourselves to be happy? I don’t think I’m very happy. I always fall asleep to the sound of my own screams. Right. See the reason that you are, and then I always get woken up in the morning by the sound of my own screams. Do you think I’m unhappy? Wait, the the point is that you can be happy.

Malcolm Collins: But after that I go to my therapist to talk about why I’m feeling these negative emotions around you know, the, the men that you [00:18:00] are having sex with, right?

And

they come to dig up even more traumatic events. That help you?

I mean, in many ways it’s a form of violence towards you. Mm. That, that I feel. Now, of course I have, have, have tried to solicit additional sexual partners to, to try to keep things even. But the reality is, is, is as a man, you know, that’s not always gonna be something that’s as open to me.

Well, not everyone’s willing also to, to fill out the. 18 page consent manual that needs to be filled out at every stage of the escalation process, beginning from handholding to every, well,

I mean, I escalated sexual act. That’s a really valid, that’s a really valid thing. I mean, a lot of C conservatives will complain about the idea of consent being something that can be invalidated once a sexual act starts, but, the reality is, is that makes a lot of sense when you think about it. Because people can change their mind, right? And imagine [00:19:00] if within any other activity, you couldn’t decline consent once that activity had started, like imagin, if you got, well, this is

why everything is filmed live on OnlyFans.

Right.

I mean, it’s the only safe way then, then not

only is the consent documented on film and recorded but there is a, a sizable group of paid well, no, sorry, paying witnesses to corroborate

by, by the way, you know, you know, ID dubs, his wife literally has an OnlyFans. Really? Yeah. And he’s like ended friends with him.

With him? No, no. With other guys. He’s, he’s too he, he says he, he’s too shy about his body to be live on OnlyFans, so he just, other guys.

I’m not gonna go there. Okay.

And obviously their relationship is incredibly strong. If this isn’t causing friction, I, I think it’s at a level of strength that ours could never you know, with our five beautiful abortions that we, we never could come close to.

But anyway, the, [00:20:00] the point I’m making here and OnlyFans is great. Do you know the number of women who otherwise would be living in poverty? If not for OnlyFans, like this is their only source of income.

Well, and it’s also a form of. Of paid sex work that significantly reduces bodily harm, like active risk.

Because most people don’t have the privilege when doing sex work to act like, to work with an active vetter who does background checks on everything. Right.

So it’s like a, a pimp, it’s, it’s like a. But for Uber, it, but that actually protects you and doesn’t, you know? Yeah. ‘cause Uber

actually doesn’t have a great track

record.

Right. It’s like, it’s funny. It sounds only France has like a better reputation other than like all the, the negative stuff that the

I actually haven’t, I mean, okay. To be fair, I’ve read like now three books about Uber, I think or at least two. But yeah, I, I haven’t heard anything bad actually about OnlyFans in terms of actual scandals, whereas with.

Yeah. I think that at, at one point, [00:21:00] Uber released or, or illegally obtained medical record data about someone who was assaulted in an Uber in an attempt to, I think, settle out of court or something. Like they’ve done a lot of really. That is

hilarious,

questionable thing. But I mean, they’re

a large corporation and I think we understand, you know, as, as you know, you know, with our, with our new and enlightened Gemini, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no.

The, the, the right thing view of Uber is uber bad. The, the wrong thing for you Uber. Oh, you think so? Oh yeah. No, 100%. I know. So,

okay. Oh, I’m sorry. We’re, we’re still trying to create, by the way, Simone. I, I, I really appreciate your, your, your non-denominational holiday tree.

Think, oh, thank you so much.

It is themed in the United Kingdom, which is a a, a bastion of completely non-problematic bastion of Right think it, it only bans bad things, which is, is highly favorable.

Right. But it, the point I was making about consent is it actually makes a lot of sense. I mean, if [00:22:00] you get like, like is it not abusive to a woman that she can.

You know, consent to a marriage and then not get divorced. Would we not call a society like that? You know, in abuse of society? Mm-hmm. Would we not call a society? You know, a woman can consent to become pregnant And then of course if you then said, and then she doesn’t have the right to consent to not be pregnant anymore.

That’s incredibly controlling. ‘cause that’s her body. Right? And as we have established the baby. Is sentient. Therefore, you, you cannot harm a non sentient entity. Harm is something that is the exclusive purview of sentient.

Our guest doesn’t appreciate that, but we, our

guest does not appreciate this conversation. I established

that the guest is incapable of feeling. So

yeah, it’s interrupting us. But to continue with what we’re talking about here, the urban monoculture, right? We, we in our days where we were less educated, we said that the urban monoculture was [00:23:00] causing negative effects within society.

Specifically, it was sort of the, well mono culturizing creating a a a, a vast homogenous cultural network that was slowly eating and eradicating all the cultural diversity on earth. You know, you would have your, and, and we noted that it also seemed to be antagonistic to fertility. And the, the core basis of the urban monoculture are a, a few things.

And they make sense. If you actually think about them for a bit, it’s one, your goal in life should be the pursuit of pleasure and self-actualization. Where self-actualization is to gain a knowledge of who you really are and who you really are is, and it’s, it’s very strange that, you know, I, I think this was due to, to, to Christianity blinding our ancestors that they couldn’t see this, but it turns out.

Who you really are is whatever turns you on. And, and our ancestors were just too blind to see this. Right? And then on [00:24:00] top of that, you know, for a long time as a society, we had been searching for like this sort of nebulous concept that they thought of as like the soul, this thing that is attached to who you are.

But, but is not physical and cannot be easily investigated and is influenced by your, your mood or mental state. But it’s bigger and it’s really the real you. And we, we learned as we investigated this subject deeper, is that the word that they were looking for was gender, right? Because we know, we know from the, the too cute versus the.

True scums that the trans individuals brave and queen got brave and beautiful goddesses. That, that they that some of them said, well, you’re only really trans if you have a medically diagnosed dysphoria. And if you have gone to a doctor about this, you can’t just claim to be trans out of nowhere.

Which of course, a lot of people don’t have access to doctors, right? So that was an incredibly bigoted thing [00:25:00] to say, and fortunately they were mostly. Eradicated from our communities. And that left only the two Cutes, which basically said you can be whatever you say you are, but you’re also born that way.

But it’s also tied to your personality. And it’s an irreducible element of who you are. And what we really came to realize is, oh, humans don’t have souls. We have something better. We have genders. Right. And how do we determine what’s true about the world? Because everybody needs some sort of filter in this world of AI and everything.

What’s true about reality, right? Within this new urban monoculture? Well, what’s true about the world is whatever would be good if it was true. That means that if, evidence seems to show, like if I’m like doing statistical analysis and some roid tries to come to me with all their stats [00:26:00] and they’re like, well, look at the stats about this group and this group being different along this metric or that metric.

Mm mm mm You see, the thing is, is those differences could be correlation and not causation, right? So we have to ignore them, and we need to ask ourself what? Would be the most moral thing if it was true for society. And that would be that there are no differences between any individual. And it’s the same with, you know, when we see homeless people, you know, they’ll be like, oh, that person’s homeless because they didn’t work hard enough, or they did drugs, or, you know, whatever.

And I think it’s important to say, but that’s not necessarily true. Like how do you know that isn’t that not bias and bigoted? I think it’s probably better to assume. Whenever you see a homeless person, they’re only there because the system failed them. Right. You know, they fell through the cracks. And when we begin to build a world on these assumptions, we can begin [00:27:00] to manifest.

The world that we want and manifesting. You know, you, you believe something enough. You see the world in a way. And Oprah taught us this as a secret, taught us this Pentecostal Christianity taught us this. The more you, you wish he thinks something into existence, the more likely it is to come into existence.

Well, and since we’re talking about manifesting, I think we should talk about sort of. The core and most important thing which actually that was, we, we were wrong the whole time about Tism. And that ultimately, antinatalism is not only morally the right choice, but morally the right choice regardless of someone’s cultural background or values.

That in the end life is suffering and. Better if there isn’t future life. So it is immoral to have children, not just from an environmental pressure standpoint, from the drain that people put on resources but also because [00:28:00] if you exist, you will suffer. At times you’ll be uncomfortable, and any suffering is not worth it.

No matter how much pleasure there may be in life, and no matter what, you know, religious background you have, like if you’re Buddhist, life is suffering and you’re trying to end the cycle, if you’re Christian, I mean, like you wanna go to heaven, right? Like you, you know, like what the, the earthly life isn’t exactly the point either.

And you, you don’t necessarily, I think that’s a really good

point. Whatever moral framework, there is nothing. Except now the end game

doesn’t involve being on earth and alive. It would seem and, and, you know, I guess if you’re head hedonistic, it doesn’t matter because you already exist. So just max it out, which is easier.

And I,

and I think it, you really hit on the head with the hedonism, right? You know, God told us to be fruitful and multiply. And I, I think that, , fruitful. Can be, interpreted as happy. Right. And so, you know, if you could just, if you could just hedonism max enough. [00:29:00] The, and multiply is really more of an afterthought from God’s perspective.

And, and really it is only, you know, a throwaway line in the Bible, right? It’s not like it’s one of the commandments or something. If God really wanted us to have lots of kids, you know, couldn’t he have repeated that multiplicatively throughout the Bible? Couldn’t he have made it a central commandment?

No, it’s not there, right? So I think that you’re, you’re absolutely right. You know, you, you can stay a hundred percent within the moral set of, of, of most. Of the good religious frameworks, you know, particularly Islam here, right? Because we know Islams are, well, hold on.

Even Jesus thought, I mean, I mean, Jesus thought within his lifetime that, you know, the second coming.

Well, I mean, look, I, I think, I, I, if, if, if having kids with such a moral thing that God wanted us to do, that God wanted everyone to do, then how could Jesus the man who lived without sin, not have children? How, how could that be?

Yeah, there’s that. And then also, you know, [00:30:00] maybe we’ve had enough kids now and we kind of need to coast until well, and why would

God make the Pope not have kids?

Why would he make the castle clergy not have kids? Right? Like if, if having kids with such a moral duty, right? Like, why? I mean, it’s,

it’s a sacrament, but that means that there are other choices and that, you know, sometimes the correct choice during any given. Och of, of human, human existence.

Well, and I think it’s great is, is we had incorrectly and I’m, I’m really glad that we were able to read some great, you know, un reporting that helped us on this thought that you know, there’s gonna be a lot of suffering in the future.

Because of collapsing fertility rates, collapsing things like the social security systems and collapsing things. So the fewer

people to experience that suffering the better. Right? As we pointed out, there’s no stopping demographic collapse, but

AI is advancing so quickly that it would make any sort of suffering.

That we’re going to see within 10 to 20 years within [00:31:00] workspaces tied to population irrelevant because it ha will have replaced so much of the population by that time period.

Simone Collins: Hmm.

Malcolm Collins: And so there’s not really a point in making these types of predictions when we know that the economics. System that the world’s gonna be in 20 to 30 years from now due to the advancements in AI is going to be completely uncorrelated with the economic system of today.

So attempting to make future economic system predictions is frankly quite pointless.

Simone Collins: Hmm.

Malcolm Collins: And I think ultimately it was disingenuous to us and something that we always really realized it was just part of the grift. Right. Well, it isn’t

everything pointless really.

Well, I, I think, yeah, I think you know, everything is pointless except for you know, fighting for the rights of disadvantaged communities.

And it’s, it’s very important, obviously, it would be quite bigoted if I attempted to determine the rights of disadvantaged communities by looking at which communities have the least protections within our society, whether that be legal protections or support, no, you need to defer

[00:32:00] to who has.

Concluded as the most

right? Well, it’s to the elites within our society. Elites for a reason. Academic, it doesn’t, after

highly educated analysis. Yes.

Journalists spent their enli entire lives studying how to tell us what to believe. Mm-hmm. How dare we not base our world perspectives based on them.

No, it’s pretty screwed up that we thought that we could just decide.

Yeah. But I could just start a YouTube channel and talk to you about, you know, what to think or believe, or examine history from a asymmetric perspective. I. It was, I mean, imagine if we lived in a world, right, where like, actually, and I mean actually like anyone could just create a YouTube account and without an AI filtering the content for you first just cite historical evidence.

And that evidence could challenge if you’re challenging the mainstream narrative. [00:33:00] What would happen to society if we just allowed that to happen? Like it’d be chaos, right? This is what we happened with the rise of the printing press, right? The ottoman.

Well, I mean, really Malcolm, this is what happened with, you know, we, we wouldn’t have Israel if, if we, you know, we’re more earlier tamped down on this kind of behavior.

‘cause keep in mind, in other episodes we’ve talked about the different forms of. Of knowledge of sort of hierarchy, like how you get status in different religions and the, the one big religion where you are allowed to have open discourse where people are allowed to just directly cite sources and debate them openly without coming from a position, necessarily a privilege.

Like any, anyone, not necessarily someone with like this many years of education or this ordination is allowed to just come up and challenge a leading rabbi. With debate and citing direct sources you know, and this, this is, this is the foundation of, of Judaism. And, and if you didn’t, didn’t have Judaism, you wouldn’t have Israel.

And if you didn’t have [00:34:00] Israel, you wouldn’t have the genocide in Palestine. I mean, I don’t, it’s this exact kind of, of intellectual meritocracy that produces the genocide in Palestine, right? No. Which is like number one issue of our time

pointing out here. If you’re unfamiliar with the way Jewish like religious structures work is if you are a, a, like this, this is particularly true, was in the more orthodox forms of Judaism.

But you can, you know, stand up and challenge the. The what for them would be like the preacher, the rabbi who’s speaking and be like, no, you’re wrong for this, this in this region. Reason. Mm-hmm. And if your arguments are sound and all of the other people in the room would know the arguments and know whether or not, you know, you’re sound and you’re citing things correctly.

People could just walk out with you, you know, and, and then they go to your place and they’re more interested in what you have to say.

It’s dangerously meritocratic.

Yeah. This, this does not happen within you know, religions of peace like Islam. Right. Or, or in like the urban

monoculture,

or, or, you know, I, I think the, the [00:35:00] religions that, like the Vatican has, has shown it’s, it’s a very moral.

Structure. They’re constantly telling us how bad we are for deporting migrants or you know, operating under a capitalist system. And

that makes, well, thankfully there, there people in authority are there after. You know, years of bureaucratic politicking, which is the correct way to achieve status

lifetimes of bureaucratic politicking.

Mm-hmm. Imagine if you just let like a Catholic stand up and challenge the priest No. And say, Hey, how could you, but this is why, you know, you, you, you, you get you know, was, was, was in the Jewish tradition. Some, some problematic stuff is, is, is the, the, they become normalized to this sort of challenging of authority.

Yeah. But I, I will say, you know, I think it’s important that, that we do, you know, set you, it, it, it is true. Simone. I agree with everything you’re saying here. [00:36:00] But while, while it would be misogynistic

if you didn’t, so

Yeah, no, I, well, it is, you know, obviously true that Israel has committed war crimes.

I think both you and I can agree that we can’t stop sending the military aid that, that, that whatever you think about this other stuff it would be very problematic and antisemitic to stop sending the military aid. You’d, you’d agree with that?

That’s the only form of correct antisemitism. I mean, on college campuses, do what you want, but.

Your tax dollars go where they save. I mean, obviously people above our pay grade have decided where our tax dollars should go. Yeah. I

mean, these people have clearly thought about this more than we have, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. There’s a, there’s a reason why the, the leading democratic senators all support this.

Mm-hmm. And I, I, I think I, I, I sometimes, you know, wonder how that. Those two [00:37:00] things make sense together in my mind. And then I realize that there are people and they are, it’s like Gemini that, that are just at sort of a higher level. It’s like the trinity. You’re not supposed to understand how it all fits together.

Yeah. Stop

trying to understand it, that that’s not the point. Mm-hmm. I mean, our job mostly at this point is probably to generate more tax revenue for the government and then to,

well, so the government rep to groups or whiteness,

we, we need to as, as we’ve been told and as we know. For our whiteness.

Well, the, the, the, the government needs to give that tax revenue to groups that we have historically disenfranchised. And it does. As it should. As it should. Because you know, the, the reason why. There is pop, like look at the black population in the United States. The only reason that there is, is poverty or disproportionate crime within that community.

And you know, there has been studies that show even at equal levels of wealth. It was a Harvard study that showed that they have different [00:38:00] proportionate rates of crime, but this is a hundred percent because of slavery and historic disenfranchisement. And this, this, you know, some people will challenge that and be like, well, when new black immigrants come to the United States, they sometimes outcompete even white groups like, Nigerian immigrants and stuff like that.

And I think that, that this is. Because they didn’t grow up with the racism. And so, you know, they come to the United States and they, they are unaware. And, and you, you see this with black kids. You know, you, if you tell a black kid like that, they’re not gonna be smart. And that black people aren’t smart all the time, which of course is what our public schools are constantly telling black kids.

Is they end up doing worse on tests.

I mean, how could you not, if you’re in history class and you hear that your people were once enslaved think that your people must be inferior, right? Like that’s, that’s a conclusion that any child might draw from that.

And so I think that we’re not going far enough by just removing monuments that remind people that [00:39:00] slavery happened. , We need to remove any mention. That slavery happened from textbooks

Malcolm Collins: I mean, I can only imagine being a black kid and going to school in the US and every day the class starts with, you know, how white kids are smarter than them. And that’s just discu. Like, of course they’re gonna do worse. Right. You know. And the best way to counter this is to ensure that every teacher is maximally accredited in modern teaching theory.

Right where they can learn to dismantle these prejudices

and when and, and well backed up by a very large group of non-teaching personnel that occasionally steps into correct additional behavior.

Right. Well, I mean, they do need to be monitored and

assist, assist with various special needs and language needs and diversity needs.

Compliance needs, [00:40:00] union needs.

Hmm. Yeah. Well, I mean, you need the union or people would just step all over the teachers, which are of course one of the most victimized classes in society.

Yeah.

So I think

that pretty much covers it

and, and unions also really help teachers because I, I think at the individual level.

You know, teachers may not really know what’s best for themselves, but, but the union is sort of a collective because when you get people acting in collectives, they come up with better large bureaucratic collectives. They come up with better understandings of the world than people acting as individuals, right?

And that’s why unions always act more morally than individuals. And this is why it makes sense that like a teacher must join the teacher’s union. You know, to operate within a school district or something like that. Because if you don’t do that, what, what if they, what if they make the mistake of thinking for themselves and do something violent or wild?

Right? Like, like claim that the school system may not be serving in kids’ best interest [00:41:00] anymore.

Well, one of the big problems there too is that they, they could just get fired.

Yeah. And then

what happens to them?

How, how would they feed themselves? Right. You know? So I, I’d like to end this episode saying Namaste.

Sorry. Trying to a straight face, but that, why did you do that to me? Nama, we don’t use the n word in our house. You

actually like.

No text. Couldn’t take it.

Did you, did you used to hang out with people who’d actually say like, Namaste, or like,

I don’t, I’m sure that we’ve been exposed to someone who’s unironically said, Namaste. But I thought your mom did or something. No, no, no. She may have been a shaman, but she even, she wouldn’t tear.

I see.

And, and Gemini. Look, her mom was a shaman, right? Like, we understand what’s up in this new ecosystem. Mm-hmm. This is a video that [00:42:00] people, especially our audience needs to hear so they can help break the cycle of programming. That thinking for themselves led them into

Simone Collins: Mm.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Go do it guys.

Just accept, accept the the new order.

Break the cycle guys. Break the cycle of human intergenerational birth. Break the cycle of you know, religious trauma. Break the cycle of Western civilization so we can enter the Wakanda Utopia that is destined for us all. Well, obvi, obviously not us or our descendants, but you know, the good, the, the, the good people.

Anyway I, I would say I love you, Simone, but that might make some of the other people in her jealous and, you know, inducing a negative emotion in them is, is obviously an immoral thing to do. So [00:43:00] I, I will not end our podcast with such a selfish affirmation. I just hope that with what, what are, what are the names here?

With, with, with Brett or whoever that guy is you’re seeing tonight. And who you’re making dinner for tonight. Of course. Because you wouldn’t make dinner for your family. That’s, that’s for me to do. Malcolm,

we DoorDash it. On. Oh, yes, of course.

We, DoorDash, everything. I forgot. We have to contribute to the startup ecosystem the, the post startup ecosystem.

So, I’ll be getting DoorDash and have fun with Brett tonight, Simone, and I’m very excited for you to, with, with experiences of how much pleasure you were able to find in this night away from your children. I

can’t, I can’t. Oh, sorry. Lots. We, this, the algorithm needs to update. I can’t, I can’t do this.

I can, Malcolm, I can’t do this. This is, I, I, I can’t, I, I could barely, I think this is the

[00:44:00] most abusive I’ve been to you on stream. Like, I don’t think

No, I, I am freaking Kaya over here. Help me people. I can’t. This is the worst. Kaya the most Pamper dog in

history. What are you talking about?

You gotta stop, man.

No, this has to end. This has to end. We’re we, we’re gonna find a way around this that does not involve Right. Think. Because I can’t, I can’t take that.

Somebody, the somebody’s gotta get the administration working on this. Because how long, how long can we keep this up? And if we don’t keep it up, how long do we keep our YouTube channel?

Right? The administration

promised free speech control, or not controls, but like free speech, but they haven’t protections.

Hey, we should return to our contacts at the White House and be like, who do we need to talk to to get this ball rolling? Because it would be an easy win across the political spectrum.

It’s very important for winning election cycles. I’ll say, I’ll ask you with, with drafting something to that with our contract. I’ll put on

my Karen wig and ask to speak with their manager.

Yeah, just be like, look, I really want to get this [00:45:00] moving ahead. I’m really sort of mortified. It hasn’t moved ahead yet.

How can we help? It’s not that hard. It’s, it is a simple legislation. It’s it completely in line with what Trump wants.

I’m sure it’s incredibly complicated, but yeah, we, we’ll, we’ll, we’ll see what. People are doing, if we can try to, oh

gosh. Sorry, I didn’t mean all of that. I was saying those are things I would’ve said if I didn’t agree with Bing.

Yeah, we, we’ll just end this. Yeah,

no,

didn’t say

that. I love you. Bye. Bye.

He had shots today, so it was, it was a rough day for our little man here.

Now he knows he can’t trust you, so

Yeah, I’ve, I’ve broken his trust. Yeah, that’s, that’s why we typically send them with you. Right? That’s when the, then they, then they like me, except you take them to get toys.

When they get shots in blood work.[00:46:00]

Simone Collins: It’s okay.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. So I was actually, I, maybe there’s not an episode here, but I was thinking about how stores used to work in the past, where you’d go up to the front. Desk of the store and you’d say, I’d like a se, you know, three pounds of flour, or I would like a wrench. And then they would go into the back and they would bring it to you.

You’re like, I want three volts of fabric or whatever. And I realized that, I mean, a lot of people were talking about that to, of like, oh, we should go back to that model. Like given how shoplifting is now. But CVS kind of is that model now, just with like a lot, you know,

there’s stores in the UK that operate off of that model was like big catalog in the front

phone store or the, the what Catalog store?

Carone Warehouse is that, no, Carone

Warehouse doesn’t operate on that model. It’s another store. I can’t remember what it’s called, but it’s you go to the front and they have like bolted down like giant books of stuff and you just go through it. I thought that

was Carone Warehouse, that not, you always point to it and you’d be like, ah, this store is crazy.

This is so [00:47:00] weird.

No, Carone Warehouse is a completely different store that is like a cell phone store, which is also crazy. Name

that they changed, that they must have changed that name.

I mean, they were using it long past.

Well. But I realized DoorDash and online ordering in ghost kitchens like that is what it is now. We have already gone back to it and people just haven’t fully acknowledged that yet. We are already back

Simone Collins: to bed. Oh my God.

Malcolm Collins: Okay.

Okay, so it’s not milk.

Let’s try hugs. Let’s try just hugs.

Oh my gosh.

Simone Collins: Sorry. Okay.

Malcolm Collins: Oh, that’s what he wanted. Maybe,

maybe. But yeah, no, we’ve, we’ve gone back to that model already and we just haven’t [00:48:00] realized it that like maybe the future of shopping just, and, and like maybe, maybe the existence of retail. This like high trust, no one’s gonna shoplift.

I can just leave clothes out there kind of model. Mm-hmm. Was a short-lived social experiment that was never really meant to be, you know, like stores. This concept of just like laying a huge amount of inventory out for anyone to take one was not really practiced that much anyway. Oh, that’s what it was.

It works in a high trust society. Yeah.

100% works in a high

trust society cannot have a, a, a multicultural high trusts society. It just doesn’t work. Yeah. I think that’s, that’s

the key problem

with an to high trust societies. All right. I will get started here.

Okay. I’m gonna mute myself while you open this just so people.

Speaker 9: Octavian, what are you doing? Talking, [00:49:00] right, dad? You’re talking to your friend? Yeah. What are you talking about? I’m talking about something about, oh, you’re showing him something he found? Yeah. I found this in my packet, rocket. It’s from school. I know. I want to have this to remember me. You wanna give it to him?

Yeah. Oh, he can’t carry things. He wants you to keep it. Oh, all right. Let’s go. Octavian. Yeah, let’s go. Bye. Tell him to go back to his family. Go back to your family. Have a great night. Where do you think mommy is? Oh, I know

Speaker 11: somewhere. Oh.[00:50:00]

Speaker 9: I told go to my name from Katie. Okay. Okay.

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