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Can we Break Free? Bret Speaks with Michael Shellenberger

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I'm Owe No Tob Decentralized, but It's More Small as Beautiful

"If we recognize the size of the problem we are creating for ourselves, then it doesn't become a world of austerity," he says. "There is a lot to be done obutrating our civilization." He thinks there's an awful lot that has to be governed ata higher scale.

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