Intro

#250 Customer Insights | Matt sits down with Shoshana Kordova, a 3x founding product marketer and former journalist who now helps B2B tech startups craft customer-infused messaging through her consultancy, Peel Product Marketing. Shoshana recently launched a customer insights playbook for the PMM Jetpack, equipping marketers with tools and templates to run more effective customer interviews.

Matt and Shoshana cover:

• Why a customer insights program is more than “just talking to customers” and how to turn interviews into a repeatable system that drives messaging, positioning, and case studies
• How to collaborate across teams (especially with CS and product) to get buy-in and avoid stepping on toes
• The most common mistakes B2B marketers make with interviews and how to get the kind of insights you can actually use

Whether you're a product marketer, content strategist, or leading a GTM team, this episode is packed with actionable takeaways to build messaging that resonates.

Timestamps

• (00:00) - – Intro
• (02:26) - – Meet Shoshana: From Journalism to Product Marketing
• (03:36) - – What Is “Customer-Infused Messaging”?
• (05:21) - – Why Customer Insights Beat Surface-Level Deliverables
• (07:21) - – How to Work with CS and Sales Without Stepping on Toes
• (10:21) - – Navigating Competing Priorities Across Teams
• (12:41) - – Selling the Value of Customer Interviews Internally
• (16:41) - – The 6 Steps to Building a Customer Insights Program
• (18:36) - – Step 1: Aligning Goals with Stakeholders
• (20:16) - – Step 2: Building a Customer Interview Pipeline
• (22:21) - – Step 3: Keeping Stakeholders in the Loop (Hint: Use Slack)
• (28:14) - – Step 4: How to Run a Great Customer Interview
• (33:44) - – Focus on Problems, Not Just the Product
• (36:19) - – Uncovering Real ROI with Better Follow-Ups
• (37:29) - – Step 5: Documenting What Actually Matters
• (39:49) - – How to Organize Insights into a Shared Database
• (42:39) - – Step 6: Putting Insights to Work (Case Studies, Messaging, ICPs)
• (44:59) - – Should You Hire an External Interviewer?
• (47:14) - – What’s a Realistic Interview Cadence?
• (48:44) - – Other Places to Find Customer Insights (When Interviews Aren’t Possible)
• (50:19) - – Final Tips: Mining G2 Reviews, Webinars, and Internal Teams
• (51:33) - – Wrap-Up and Where to Find Shoshana

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