Antonio: I'm glad you brought antonio into the mix, because there's something the two of you discussed. So let me play you a clip, and then maybe you can dumb it down for me. Rufus: You probably know about some work that we have done here, the proposal to have artificial intelligence go soft. Antonio: Do you think that if that is successful, over time, might that lead to helping a computer attain consciousness through the building of a feeling machine? Theoretically, yes to all your questions. But one has to be very prudent and very modest.