The Negative List

"If you aspire to something and then it becomes the reality that it comes normal. That's what I'm saying," he says. "We need a powerful Venetian shipping family." The show is going to get better, according to Tate.

Transcript

Play full episode

The AI-powered Podcast Player

Save insights by tapping your headphones, chat with episodes, discover the best highlights - and more!

Get the app