i think there are individual differences in drive, but i think also we have moralized the people who are constantly, always trying to do more and do things quicker. I'm certainly one of those kinds of people. That's how i have gotten into the mess that i was in before. Ande he said he saw this with his kids, that one, from a young age, just loves to get things done. The other two are more laid back. He thinks when we look at people that way, we're still applying a certain lens af what even counts as product or what counts as kind of a meaningful life.