Why heterodox policy wins and lasts

On this episode of the Chuck ToddCast, Chuck unpacks a tumultuous week for Donald Trump as newly released Epstein emails reignite old scandals — and this time, they may stick. With Speaker Mike Johnson appearing to serve Trump’s interests over his own members, and a worsening economy eroding public patience, Chuck explores whether we’re witnessing the beginning of Trump’s “lame duck” moment. He draws parallels between Trump’s endless stream of controversies, his history of corrupt pardons, and how even “teflon” presidents eventually turn “velcro” when conditions shift.

As the cost of living rises and swing voters tune out partisan noise, scandals like Epstein’s are cutting through both sides’ information bubbles — forcing Republicans to reckon with Trump’s baggage. Chuck argues that if Democrats manage a midterm sweep, historians might look back on this very week as the turning point when Trump’s political luck finally began to run out.

Then, Chuck sits down with Adam Jentleson, executive director of the new Searchlight Institute, to talk about how Democrats can build a broader, more durable governing coalition. Jentleson explains why Searchlight is designed to promote ideological diversity within the Democratic Party — and why policies that blend progressive and moderate ideas tend to last longer and win in more places. He warns that Democrats’ electoral path to the presidency and a 60-seat Senate majority is narrowing and argues the party’s best hope lies in economic populism — the same force that powered Trump’s rise but could be reclaimed with a focus on kitchen-table issues and fairness for working Americans.

The conversation dives deep into the party’s messaging struggles during the government shutdown, the growing divide between “fight Trump” and “look past Trump” factions, and the need for Democrats to recruit candidates who can win in red and purple states — even if they don’t align perfectly on social issues. Jentleson also offers sharp insights on the filibuster’s evolution from a necessary safeguard to a legislative dead end, and why Democrats need to get more strategic — not louder — if they want to govern effectively and outlast Republican populism.

Finally, he answers listeners’ questions in the “Ask Chuck” segment and breaks down the latest in college football.

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Timeline:

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00:00 Chuck Todd’s introduction

02:00 New Epstein emails released referencing Trump

03:00 Mike Johnson’s actions are in service to WH, not his members

04:45 Trump has a laundry list of scandals & corrupt pardons, none stuck

07:00 Presidents can go from teflon to velcro 

08:30 The bad economy could make Trump less resilient to scandals

10:00 JD Vance tweet demanding Epstein transparency has aged horribly

10:45 Trump’s involvement with Epstein has been baked into public opinion

12:00 High prices and bad economy mean less public patience for Trump

12:45 Every presidency hits their lame duck point, this could be the start

14:00 Winning the midterms for the Democrats means winning the senate

15:15 Trump has treated the party like his casinos, leveraged for his benefit

16:15 Trump is only worried about Trump, not the party or the voters*

17:30 Epstein is one of the only stories that breaks through both sides’ bubble

19:45 You can’t information silo your grocery bill, or the Epstein story

21:00 If Dems sweep midterms, we’ll point to this week as start of lame duck

22:00 By going soft on Ghislaine Maxwell, it just increases suspicion

24:30 Trump would have been better off playing “he said, she said” w/Maxwell

25:45 Stock market booming, but most of the economy is not succeeding

27:00 Trump doesn’t seem well, has aged quite a bit in past six months

29:00 A steady drip of Epstein stories/files will cause R’s to distance 

30:30 Trump isn’t doing what he was elected to do, makes him vulnerable

35:45 Adam Jentleson joins the Chuck ToddCast

37:15 Why choose the name “Searchlight Institute?

38:15 How is Searchlight different from the Center for American Progress?

41:45 Ideologically diverse policies tend to be more durable

43:45 Democrats must embrace ideological diversity to win in red states

46:45 Democrats have to make trade offs to win in more places

47:45 Democrats electoral path to presidency gets more narrow in ‘32

48:30 What does Democrats’ path to 60 senate seats look like?

49:30 Economic populism is a powerful force, it’s why Trump won

50:45 Economic populism beat out Republican orthodoxy

52:00 Populism hasn’t been transferable from Trump, but it’s durable

53:00 This economy is ok if you have money and horrid if not

54:45 The Kerry/Edwards economic policies are what are popular today

55:30 When Democrats succeed it’s on economic ideas

56:00 Is an economic downturn the only path for Dems to win presidency?

58:00 Democrats give Republicans ammo on cultural issues

59:00 Mamdani won by relentlessly focusing on kitchen table issues

1:00:15 Why weren’t Democrats able to sell their decision to reopen govt

1:02:00 Congressional leadership & communication are different skills

1:03:00 No side demanding a major concession in a shutdown got it

1:03:45 Dems succeeded in driving a message about healthcare

1:06:15 Divide on left is “look past Trump” or “fight Trump”

1:07:45 Democrats need to find issues they can run on in every state

1:09:30 The litmus test for Dems should be can they take back the senate

1:10:30 The path for Dems to take back the senate

1:12:00 Dems will have to embrace candidates with different social views

1:12:45 Gavin Newsom has been winning lately on tactics not policy

1:13:45 Dem candidates need to be fighters with broadly palatable policy

1:15:30 Any worries about an insurgent third party?

1:18:00 A third party candidate could certainly cause Dems to lose

1:19:30 The filibuster has become a pocket veto

1:21:30 The filibuster should require work and not be used passively

1:23:00 The filibuster started as needed reform, now is a problem

1:24:45 The origin of budget reconciliation

1:27:30 The judiciary was designed to be non-partisan

1:28:45 Vote threshold for judges should be higher to avoid partisans

1:31:15 If you raise the threshold too high there will be judicial backlogs

1:33:30 Do you see Searchlight as an incubator for policy, tactics or both?

1:34:45 What does Graham Platner’s staying power say about him?

1:36:45 Democratic aligned groups need to be smarter about their asks

1:44:45 Chuck’s thoughts on interview with Adam Jentleson

1:45:45 Ask Chuck

1:46:00 Thought’s on Netflix’s Death By Lightning?

1:53:30 Can anything be done in the short term about electricity costs?

2:00:45 What is Trump’s motivation for intervening in Venezuela?

2:06:15 Did NYC Mayoral race show Dems issue with non college voters?

2:12:15 College football committee needs to go

2:19:00 College football preview

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