Mike Samuels, a Mentor to Me in the Industry

i have a lot to owe to mike samuels, who isn't even in the specifically doing on in coach or anything now. He was ar kind of not a mentor to me but someone i really looked up to in the industry. And they also had a different take, which opened up my eyes to like, new wants and differences of opinion. So that's where the pl podcast grew from,. Was like that cumana type of formact with mike and some of the bigger names in the industry - brad shomfeld among them.