John Michael Greer returns to the show to talk about pre-psychological modern astrology, which is often overlooked these days. The revival of Hellenistic, Medieval and Renaissance forms are going strong, but when people think of modern astrology, all too often they forget that there was and is a strong tradition of predictive, practical astrology in the modern era using the outer planets as well as the traditional 7. We also talk about JMG's groundbreaking book The Twilight of Pluto which shows how the influences of Pluto rose and fell with it's discovery and demotion, and what a post-Pluto world looks like.