I think there's a tendency to anthropomorphize a lot of the discussions about alien life, which is a really big challenge. I don't try to think about us as humans, but us as an example of phenomena that exists in the universe that we have yet to explain. So if you're a graduate student looking at multiple alien civilizations, do you think they survive the encounters? And then Sarah responded, Chiki universe we live in. The Chiki version of the word interesting, all of which we'll try to define.

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