In the aftermath of trumps election there was a debate, is it our people voting for em because of economic anxiety, or because of raceism or nativism? And clearly they both play some kind of role. But you had a line in your book which i thought was very provocative. Ah, you say, neither in north america nor in western europe has there ever been a truly equal, multi ethnic democracy. So what we're trying to create right now is a historically unique experiment.

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