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Two weeks since russian troops invaded ukraine, started to bombarded cities. Evgena albat yevgenia is one of the most prominent liberal political journalists in russia. The resistance from crane has been more impressive than we could have imagined. But i think as likely as an aro at this point is a military conflict that lasts for a long time,. followed by an occupation that lasts for even longer.

Yevgenia Albats is a Russian journalist, and editor-in-chief and CEO of the popular Russian independent magazine The New Times. The magazine has now been blocked by government censors for reporting on the war in Ukraine. Until last week, when the station was taken off the air, Albats was also host of a long-running radio show on Ekho Moskvy. The author of The State Within a State: The KGB and its Hold on Russia–Past, Present, and Future, she is a member of the Persuasion board of advisors.

In this week’s conversation, Yevgenia Albats and Yascha Mounk discuss the quickly-evolving nature of the Putin dictatorship, how ordinary Russians view the invasion, and the fate of the free Russian press in the face of a new wave of repression.

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