Is This About Russia, or Is This About Vladimir Putin?

Don't assume that the people who have to perpetrate the propaganda and know the truth, that they don't resent horribly the fact that they're forced to do that. Because the person taking the survey is assuredly going to tell somebody about it, right? And the same is true for those people that are on the news. So we have to understand that you've got this guy who's incredibly isolated. He's losing on the battlefield. He has lost all credibility internationally. To a degree, our role in all this should be to aid the ukranians so that they continue to fight in ways that we can without giving putin what he really wants.