Sagan's Legacy - A Nuclear Winter

i think i'm, you know how it is, sir. Like he's getting all the press, and the other folks are stuck in a lab doing what they think is the real work. So i kind of get it in a way, but i just think that people like ni and tyson and and sakin are hugely necessary for science. You got to have a face out there furthering it. And if you remember in our nuclear winter episode, yes, he was. Did he completely in a think of that? No, he just furthered it.