Stage 5 of Gravel Burn was slow despite being more than 50% paved, and it finished on a 2500-foot climb. Tom Pidcock took the stage win and joins Payson to recap the day. They also discuss the logistics of his Il Lombardia / UCI Gravel Worlds double-header earlier this month, why he decided to take a break from his off season to come to South Africa, and how he chooses which events and disciplines to put on his schedule. 
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Gravel Burn GC standings after stage 5:
Women:
 1. Ashleigh MOOLMAN-PASIO - 19:39:21 
 2.  Melisa ROLLINS  - 19:43:41 | +4:20   
3. Hayley PREEN  19:45:52 | +6:31  
4. Lauren STEPHENS - 19:46:22 | +7:01 
5. Axelle DUBAU-PREVOT - 19:48:15 | +8:54
Men:
1. Matthew BEERS - 15:46:42  
2. Simon PELLAUD - 15:47:15 | +33   
3. Hugo DRECHOU - 15:53:24 | +6:42  
4. Lukas BAUM - 15:55:10 | +8:28   
5. Tristan NORTJE - 15:56:01 | +9:19  
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