How to Communicate With Science Deniers

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Joy rodman talks about their interactions with science deniers in rural okohoma. They say they try to treat them with an amount of respect that i would have for any one who came to ask me a question. After this short commercial break, you'll hear all about joy's technique and how they found where that line is.

In this episode we sit down with Joey Rodman (@okiespacequeen), a science educator in Oklahoma whose recent Twitter thread about using a portable planetarium to reach out to flat earthers went viral thanks to their counterintuitive advice about how to discuss science denial and conspiracy theories with people who may have never interacted with a scientist before.

After years of on-the-ground, one-on-one conversations, Joey has developed a technique similar to those we've discussed on the show, including street epistemology, motivational interviewing, deep canvassing, and even the socratic method. It shares elements with all of these, but was developed in-person through conversations with people who met with Joey in their communities and home towns.

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