More often than not, we approach reading Scripture as a simple means to an end, or a task on our spiritual checklist, instead of as a living text and lens through which to see our lives. How can we become people who meditate on God’s Word day and night out of both habit and delight?

In this episode, host Jay Y. Kim converses with scholar and co-founder of the Bible Project, Dr. Tim Mackie. Together, they explore how immersing ourselves in the communal, family story of Scripture can help us perceive God’s voice. Mackie also shares his pastoral background and personal journey of learning about and loving God’s word, revealing recent experiences that have fundamentally changed his understanding of what it means to be with God in the here and now.

This conversation invites us to approach the Bible not as a mere intellectual exercise, but as a slow, generative way to encounter God, be formed by his truth, and reshape how we view ourselves, others, and the world around us. Tune in to this thought-provoking episode to unearth delight and wonder in your reading and study of God’s word.

Download a reflective guide to The Examen.

This episode highlights the following themes:

The Bible as a unified story that leads to Jesus
Engaging with Scripture as meditation literature
The personal and communal impact of biblical meditation

Links from this episode:

Get to know more about Dr. Tim Mackie
Subscribe to Dr. Mackie’s YouTube Channel
Learn more about Bible Project
Read the transcript here

The world is full of noise. Many are exhausted by the cacophony and chaos of the modern, digital age, where peace is scarce and self-reflection is infrequent. In “The Digital Examen”, a new podcast from IVP, author and pastor Jay Y. Kim converses with a variety of leaders, pastors, and scholars who are working to reorient their lives in the direction of listening, tuning their hearts and minds to hear the voice of God in all of its clarity, kindness, and strength.

Learn more about The Digital Examen

Learn more about your host, Jay Y. Kim

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✅ Theme Song: "For They Will Inherit the Earth" by Stephen Keech

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