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The Economy, the Media, and Fatherhood — with Kai Ryssdal

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The Importance of Being Clear

When his kids were younger, I modeled myself after my dad. He was very present in our lives growing up. That was my model for when my older boys were younger. It's funny because my wife is also going to listen to this, by the way. She thinks she is the binding force in our family Because of her upbringing and because of what she experienced as a young person,. now her interactions with her sisters and her mom and the extended family are super close.

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