While at rock magazine, you met Patti Smith. She was an editor and a writer? Well, she was a writer, a reporter. At that time, Rock Magazine was producing rock and roll shows at the New York Academy of Music which became the Palladium. You then went back to screw and that's when you worked with Milton. He did some logos and Seymour as I remember,. And he took the E, the middle part of the hard-on into the W. "I have so many sex on the brain that I was like that's right, rock magazine, the magazine for men with rocks"