Quantum Resistance Isn't The Threat (...AI Singularity Is)
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Intro
Hosts Robbie and Andy introduce guests Jan Camenisch and Jens Groth and the episode's focus on privacy, verifiability, and ZK tech.
AI Singularity 2030 comes before quantum breaks crypto. Are you ready?
In this episode, we sit down with Jan Camenisch from Rialo and Jens Groth, Chief Scientist at Nexus, to explore the eternal trade-off between privacy and verifiability.
Jan and Jens break down the real threats facing crypto, why ZKVMs cost 100,000X more than native computation, and how blockchain becomes the only way to secure AI agents.
We discuss:
- Privacy vs verifiability: the eternal trade-off
- Why quantum resistance isn't as urgent as you think
- AI Singularity 2030: the real threat to crypto
- How AI deepfakes will force verifiable content only
- ZKVMs cost 100,000X more than native computation
- Why blockchain is the only way to secure AI agents
- Jan's move to Rialo and SubZero
- Latest work on ZK proving bottlenecks
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
02:08 Jan's Move to Rialo & SubZero
04:34 Latest Work on ZK Proving Bottlenecks
06:55 Verifiability vs Privacy: Which Matters More?
09:17 Measuring ZK Performance
11:42 Privacy, Verifiability & Real-World Applications
16:25 Passport Data & Zero-Knowledge Proofs
18:33 Quantum Resistance: How Urgent Is It Really?
23:25 AI Singularity Is More Urgent Than Quantum
28:13 The Blockchain Trilemma Revisited
30:35 AI Agents & The Need for Organic, Verifiable AI
37:12 Managing AI Agents Like Employees
39:36 Privacy, Verifiability & The Future of Finance
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