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The Trade-Off Between Freedom, Security, and Privacy
I worry about the bilateral or small group who can produce catastrophe. If you imagine someone with access to the kind of equipment that's available in university labs and industrial labs, then even one such person is too many. And so my line on this is that all nations are going to face a big trade-off between three things we value: freedom, security, and privacy. The Chinese would give up privacy and have more security, if not more liberty. But I think in our countries, I think we're going to have to give up more privacy. Can you say my...