How do you then as you're going down maybe this prototyping and building phase? How does that customer work fit into iterating on a new product? It will really depend on what we have set out to deliver in the first phase. So one of the things that can really shortcut the iteration process is taking time at the very outset to create a set of design principles, heuristics for evaluating updates. Those I think teams should create for themselves because they also reflect the values of a company.

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