I had been kind of actively suppressing an anticipation of having to put my dog down but also I'm not um I don't know how to frame it except to say you know my lab did animal research for years and I was always very conflicted about it yeah because I love animals and yet I wanted to understand the brain. "MDMA in its role as an empathogen I think really did set a an understanding of what's real and true so think truths like that become um they don't," he says. The three meditators discuss their experiences with MDMA, psilocybin and other mind-altering drugs.

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