Cody: I had this revelation last week when I met up with one of the co-founders who's still running it. It finally occurred to me in a conversation I had this week, we were all galvanizers and which is all disruptive. And so we would have had to outsource higher right away,. like way earlier than we thought to make that meaningful. Matt: Let us know if you have any insights about this. Send us email at which where should they send it, Matt? Podcast at Table Group dot com.