The Rise and Fragmentation of Extremism

In the years before his death, Osama bin Laden seemed to be grooming a successor to lead Al Qaeda: his own son. Here’s what we learned this week about those plans. Guest: Rukmini Callimachi, who covers terrorism for The New York Times. For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily.

Background reading:

• The care Osama bin Laden showed his son was not just fatherly, but appears to have been an attempt by the world’s most hunted terrorist to secure his legacy.
• The United States had a role in the operation that killed Hamza bin Laden, officials said. But other details, including where he died, are unknown.

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