I think for most people it would inherently become more difficult not to be associated with that or identified with that at a deep level has that been the case for you? It's gotten easier easier yeah because I did so much work before I had like public success. Mike Posner goes on this inner journey and he sits does long meditation sessions and starts to get more in touch with himself, then what happens is he has more success but he doesn't care about it as much according to his new version of himself. We need someone who really want to do something but never had any success and is old it's time we find out if they're still interested. The third guest will be an ex-

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