As a society, we do a really bad job of encouraging this. You get so much more support if you're trying to make an incremental improvement. But if you're making a transformational change, then every kind of looks at you as crazy. So what should someone do if they want to do transformation work? They don't want to be stuck in the just kind of tweaking things a little bit. What advice do you have for them, especially if they're scared of the lack of support and possible professional consequences of trying to make bigger changes? The first one goes to actios that you can take, those within your own control. Ultimately comes down to in fighting diversity, in lighting difference