The West seems a lot smaller than it did just two years ago, says Obama. Sanctions have become a sort of really by default, a policy by default, he adds. "You don't want really to fight, but you have to show that you are doing something"
Freddie Sayers is joined by former French Ambassador Gérard Araud to dive into the topic of whether the Western world is coming to an end and if we are seeing the appearance of a world of great powers.
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