Saul Griffith: Is there a synthesis of, of those approaches? Because when I look at it, I say, well, the cutback mentality. You can't tell people just to live worse lives in, you know, with colder thermostats. And then on the other hand, we can continue growing at exactly the same rate that we have to change nothing. So what if we built small, easily decommissioned neighborhoods, so to speak, nukes and they did exist.

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