The T-Mobile sidekick came out those phones and a lot of artists had those two and they were touring. So we built a product on that and that was really the first time I started doing like designing and code. Then after a company closed down Let's see that was like 2010 and I started Doing contracting and I've been doing that ever since with numerous companies like Expedia Groupon, then a couple different Microsoft companies like Sway and one drive one note. Right now I'm on Skype.