I recently had tom nichols on the podcast political scientist, and he was making the point that much of democracy is just kind of boring paper work. And to the average person, is like, that's not exciting to be part of. You can see in a lot of the especially at's happening right now, where you have these these fights between sort of proud boys on one side and and tifa on the other. I don't know that fight in the streets with proud boys necessarily accomplishes anything. It makes you feel good. Maybe there's value in that, but ultimately,. that's not how change is effected. That's not how large masses of people realize that they are

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