What Is Downstream of What, Right?

I don't think there's this funny thing that happens when people use the word conspiratorial, where they'll take things that are set out in the open, and they'll call it conspiratorial, right? You can make a true case that the Democratic Party is not interested in making these changes just from publicly observed actions and publicly observed consequences for themselves. It's not really hidden at all. They're very open about this. I mean, yeah, I'm just trying to push back on the idea that it has to be hidden, right? Because I do think a lot, there's that conspiratorial appeal, but I also think you don't need that, right?