I think we need to make the rest of the schools better rather than tearing things down. And there's a lot that the state could learn from how to design a school and design a curriculum. The big difficulty obviously is just culturally the needle has moved so far in terms of the right. But seeing when we talk about a free press now or a free education system, what we really mean is the right of a billionaire to buy his men in newspapers as they want. Sometimes these can't be reconciled with people who live in deprived communities. How can you possibly implement policies that are going to work for working class people if you've never met one? It's just not.

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